{ "version": "1.0.0", "segments": [ { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "0.797", "endTime": "3.963", "body": "Windows 95 was the first operating system I used." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "4.383", "endTime": "5.725", "body": "This was back in the time" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "5.725", "endTime": "8.137", "body": "when you would be checking out at the grocery store" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "8.724", "endTime": "10.695", "body": "and there would be a stack of AOL CDs" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "10.695", "endTime": "13.233", "body": "that came with hundreds of hours of free internet." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "13.757", "endTime": "16.294", "body": "Yes, your internet was tracked in hours" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "16.294", "endTime": "17.972", "body": "and you paid for each one." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "18.748", "endTime": "20.719", "body": "While 95 was the first OS" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "19.922", "endTime": "25.507", "body": "used, Windows XP is where I really started to get into computers. Downloading wares," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "25.748", "endTime": "32.694", "body": "infecting my computer, wiping it, reinstalling Windows, tweaking the registry. It was a blast." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "33.755", "endTime": "40.681", "body": "Back then, I had VNC installed on my laptop, and the port was forwarded on my Linksys WRT" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "40.681", "endTime": "46.446", "body": "54G router so I could access it remotely from school and get around the internet filters." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "47.047", "endTime": "52.052", "body": "One weekend, I was out at a friend's house, where I wouldn't be accessing my laptop from," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "52.432", "endTime": "56.536", "body": "but I still had it turned on and running, sitting in the corner of my parents' living room." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "57.016", "endTime": "62.761", "body": "When I got home, I asked my dad why the laptop was shut. He said when he walked by the computer," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "63.001", "endTime": "68.106", "body": "he noticed the mouse was moving and random windows were opening and closing, so he shut the lid." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "68.887", "endTime": "74.632", "body": "When I went to check, I opened the laptop and saw that whoever had connected in over VNC" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "74.632", "endTime": "81.138", "body": "had downloaded and installed Cain and Abel. If you've never heard of it before, Cain and Abel is" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "81.138", "endTime": "87.264", "body": "a password recovery tool for Windows. I use password recovery tool very loosely in this context," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "87.524", "endTime": "93.149", "body": "because typically, a malicious actor will use it to steal credentials from a Windows machine" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "93.149", "endTime": "100.075", "body": "by sniffing network packets, cracking hashes, or brute-forcing passwords. Needless to say," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "100.375", "endTime": "107.342", "body": "I learned that day that ApplePie13 is not a secure password. But it did introduce me to the world" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "107.342", "endTime": "113.307", "body": "of hacking and the plethora of tools available. So thank you, random internet stranger, for that" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "113.307", "endTime": "119.953", "body": "introduction. But today isn't about hacking, it's about Microsoft. It's about a pioneer in the tech" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "119.953", "endTime": "127.7", "body": "industry, Bill Gates. From lying computer nerd to billionaire, on this episode of In the Shell." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "129.582", "endTime": "135.447", "body": "Whoa. Hey, why we're not shipping Windows 98? Absolutely. Mr. Jobs, you're a bright and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "135.447", "endTime": "141.073", "body": "influential man. Here it comes. It's sad and clear that on several accounts you've discussed," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "141.133", "endTime": "147.238", "body": "you don't know what you're talking about. The key to success is developers, developers, developers," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "147.638", "endTime": "152.203", "body": "developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "152.203", "endTime": "157.808", "body": "Janice and I don't own phones. Neither should you people, if you have any common sense." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "159.87", "endTime": "165.475", "body": "My name is Josh, and I'm able to keep this podcast independent and advertisement-free" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "165.475", "endTime": "170.559", "body": "because of support from listeners like you. If you are finding value in what I'm doing here," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "171.06", "endTime": "177.165", "body": "consider becoming a paid supporter at members.sideofburritos.com. And as a thank you," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "177.165", "endTime": "183.671", "body": "members get early access to new videos, ad-free versions of everything, bonus content, and access" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "183.671", "endTime": "188.676", "body": "to a live monthly Q&A. Thanks for considering. Now let's get back to the show." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "189.857", "endTime": "198.365", "body": "Born in 1955 to an affluent Seattle family, William Henry Gates III, known as Bill, was raised with high" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "198.365", "endTime": "204.21", "body": "expectations. The Gates household thrived on competition, whether it was playing board games" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "204.21", "endTime": "209.515", "body": "or racing to the end of the dock, there was always a reward for winning and a penalty for losing." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "210.376", "endTime": "217.302", "body": "In 1968, Gates enrolled at Lakeside School, where a fateful encounter with a general electric computer" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "217.302", "endTime": "223.748", "body": "terminal would change his life. Gates and his friend Paul Allen became inseparable computer nerds" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "223.748", "endTime": "230.114", "body": "at Lakeside, burning through hours of computer time. In one infamous incident, Gates and his buddies" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "230.114", "endTime": "235.939", "body": "were caught hacking into the system's code to get free computer time and promptly got banned for the entire" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "235.939", "endTime": "243.746", "body": "summer. Instead of deterring him, this only sharpened Bill's ingenuity. He and his friends formed the Lakeside" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "243.746", "endTime": "251.933", "body": "Programmers Club, offering to find software bugs in exchange for more computer time. By age 15, Gates was already" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "251.933", "endTime": "257.859", "body": "launching small ventures, even creating a traffic analysis program with Allen called TraffoData." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "258.399", "endTime": "262.163", "body": "Fast forward to 1973, Gates scored an almost..." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "262.163", "endTime": "270.675", "body": "perfect 1590 on his SATs and enrolled at Harvard. There, a dormitory hallway encounter rekindled a" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "270.675", "endTime": "276.683", "body": "friendship with Steve Ballmer, another brilliant and equally competitive student who lived down" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "276.683", "endTime": "281.91", "body": "the hall and also happens to be the subject of my previous episode if you haven't listened to" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "281.91", "endTime": "290.583", "body": "that one yet. Then, in late 1974, Gates' childhood friend Paul Allen showed him a magazine article" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "290.583", "endTime": "298.213", "body": "about the Altair 8800, one of the first microcomputers. To Bill, the personal computer" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "298.213", "endTime": "304.542", "body": "revolution was beginning and software was the key. Faced with a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "305.123", "endTime": "311.932", "body": "Gates made a bold choice. In 1975, he dropped out of Harvard to start a software company with Allen." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "312.393", "endTime": "314.636", "body": "If you had stayed at Harvard a few more years..." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "314.636", "endTime": "317.881", "body": "years. Would this computer revolution have passed you by?" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "318.402", "endTime": "321.866", "body": "Perhaps. Things moved very quickly in the industry and it was really the" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "321.866", "endTime": "325.431", "body": "urgency to get out there and be the first one to put a" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "325.431", "endTime": "329.517", "body": "basic on the microcomputer that caused me to drop out. You're called a genius" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "329.517", "endTime": "333.563", "body": "and I will, well no, I don't think that embarrassed you at all. They call you a" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "333.563", "endTime": "337.108", "body": "genius. Two young geeks arrived in Albuquerque, New Mexico" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "337.108", "endTime": "342.115", "body": "in 1975. Gates and Allen had contacted the maker of the Altair" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "342.115", "endTime": "346.16", "body": "M-I-T-S, claiming they had developed a basic interpreter" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "346.16", "endTime": "351.508", "body": "for the new computer. The truth was they hadn't written a single line of code for" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "351.508", "endTime": "354.192", "body": "the Altair yet, but they were confident they could pull it" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "354.192", "endTime": "357.236", "body": "off. Working around the clock for mere weeks," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "357.536", "endTime": "361.001", "body": "they created the software and demonstrated it to M-I-T-S." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "361.302", "endTime": "365.227", "body": "It worked on the first try, astonishing the M-I-T-S executives." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "366.249", "endTime": "367.03", "body": "That success" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "367.03", "endTime": "367.09", "body": "It's been a dream that this will just be dapat to世 by the new computer," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "367.09", "endTime": "367.11", "body": "old computer, which is a new computer computer to work with him and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "367.11", "endTime": "373.601", "body": "This full demo scored them a deal to distribute what became Altair Basic, Microsoft's first product." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "374.122", "endTime": "383.439", "body": "In an early display of marketing flair, Allen and Gates initially dubbed their partnership Micro-Soft, short for Microcomputer Software." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "384.401", "endTime": "389.59", "body": "By late 1976, the hyphen was dropped and Microsoft was officially born." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "390.632", "endTime": "397.023", "body": "After Altair Basic took off among hobbyists, Gates discovered many users were sharing it without paying." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "397.163", "endTime": "406.921", "body": "In 1976, he penned an open letter to hobbyists, scolding them for pirating software and arguing that developers deserve to be paid." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "407.442", "endTime": "408.864", "body": "What a nerd." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "409.325", "endTime": "418.281", "body": "This was an unusual stance in the freewheeling 1970s computer club scene, and it made the 21-year-old Gates unpopular with some hobbyists." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "418.722", "endTime": "419.583", "body": "Here's an extra." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "419.583", "endTime": "425.268", "body": "excerpt from that letter. As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal your" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "425.268", "endTime": "431.539", "body": "software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something to share. Who cares if the people" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "431.539", "endTime": "436.98", "body": "who worked on it get paid? One thing you do do is prevent good software from being written." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "437.405", "endTime": "442.846", "body": "Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put three man years" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "442.846", "endTime": "448.814", "body": "into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product, and distribute it for free?" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "448.814", "endTime": "454.923", "body": "The fact is, no one besides us has invested a lot of money into hobby software." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "456.278", "endTime": "464.754", "body": "By 1979, Microsoft relocated to Washington State and the team expanded. Gates was a demanding leader," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "465.139", "endTime": "472.057", "body": "famously reviewing and often rewriting every line of code his employees produced in those early years." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "472.057", "endTime": "483.974", "body": "One of Microsoft's first recruits in 1980 was none other than Steve Ballmer, Gates' Harvard pal who dropped out of Stanford Business School to join as Microsoft's first business manager." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "484.514", "endTime": "489.762", "body": "Ballmer brought energy and operational discipline, freeing Gates to focus on technology." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "491.184", "endTime": "495.209", "body": "Microsoft's rocket ride truly began with a phone call in 1980." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "495.209", "endTime": "502.099", "body": "The computing giant IBM was entering the personal computer market and approached Gates for help." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "502.88", "endTime": "511.212", "body": "Initially, IBM just wanted Microsoft's expertise on a basic programming language for the upcoming IBM PC." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "512.133", "endTime": "519.043", "body": "But in a twist of fate, when IBM mentioned they also needed an operating system, Gates and Allen quickly struck their own deal." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "519.043", "endTime": "524.53", "body": "They acquired an existing OS called 86-DOS, also known as..." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "524.53", "endTime": "533.154", "body": "QDOS, from a local developer for $50,000. They tweaked it and presented it to IBM as PC-DOS." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "533.825", "endTime": "540.028", "body": "Instead of selling IBM the software outright, Microsoft licensed the operating system while" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "540.028", "endTime": "545.601", "body": "retaining the rights. Gates believed that other companies would clone IBM's PC design," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "545.784", "endTime": "550.523", "body": "which meant Microsoft could sell its own version, MS-DOS, to all of them." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "551.357", "endTime": "557.031", "body": "And that's exactly what happened. IBM PCs spawned an industry of compatible clones," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "557.235", "endTime": "564.028", "body": "all running Microsoft's DOS. Microsoft went from a small player to the dominant software supplier" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "564.028", "endTime": "572.224", "body": "of the PC era virtually overnight. In 1981, at just 25 years old, Bill Gates became" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "572.224", "endTime": "577.004", "body": "Microsoft's president and chairman, presiding over a PC software empire." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "577.004", "endTime": "583.173", "body": "By 1986, Microsoft went public, and Gates became a billionaire at age 31." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "584.214", "endTime": "593.848", "body": "By the mid-1980s, Microsoft had conquered the realm of text-based computing, but a new paradigm was emerging, graphical user interfaces." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "594.889", "endTime": "606.505", "body": "Apple, led by Steve Jobs, had introduced the Macintosh in 1984 with a flashy Super Bowl ad and a promise to revolutionize computing with intuitive graphics." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "607.547", "endTime": "610.811", "body": "Initially, Gates and Jobs had a cordial relationship." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "611.312", "endTime": "618.041", "body": "Microsoft was actually a key early developer for the Mac, creating applications like Excel and Word for Apple's systems." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "618.742", "endTime": "629.477", "body": "In a famous 1983 Apple event, Jobs even staged a playful dating game spoof, casting Bill Gates as an eligible bachelor, competing to write software for the Mac." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "629.477", "endTime": "638.004", "body": "macintosh software magnate number three when was your first date with macintosh we've been working" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "638.004", "endTime": "645.74", "body": "with the mac for almost two years now and we put some of our really good people on it software ceo" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "645.74", "endTime": "652.707", "body": "number three will macintosh be the third industry standard well to create a new standard it takes" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "652.707", "endTime": "657.324", "body": "something that's not just a little bit different it takes something that's really new and really" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "657.324", "endTime": "664.129", "body": "captures people's imagination and the macintosh of all the machines i've ever seen is the only one" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "664.129", "endTime": "673.607", "body": "that meets that standard it was all in good fun showcasing the friendlier side of the rivalry at" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "673.607", "endTime": "680.23", "body": "the time but that friendship soon gave way to fierce competition gates had his own plans to bring" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "680.23", "endTime": "681.951", "body": "graphical interfaces to the pc" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "681.951", "endTime": "692.205", "body": "In 1985, Microsoft launched Windows 1.0, a bit clunky at first, but a clear response to the Mac's pioneering graphical interface." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "693.127", "endTime": "698.534", "body": "Steve Jobs was furious. He felt Microsoft had stolen ideas from the Macintosh." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "699.275", "endTime": "703.321", "body": "Gates, ever the realist, supposedly replied with dry wit." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "703.661", "endTime": "707.407", "body": "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "707.407", "endTime": "716.379", "body": "Both men knew Apple and Microsoft had each borrowed from ideas first seen at Xerox PARC Labs years before." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "717.321", "endTime": "723.93", "body": "Apple actually sued Microsoft in 1988, alleging Windows illegally copied Mac's look and feel." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "724.851", "endTime": "734.425", "body": "Years of legal battles later, Microsoft prevailed in court, and by then, Windows had evolved and dominated the market, while Apple was sh**ing." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "734.425", "endTime": "741.084", "body": "Struggling. The stark contrast between the two founders became legend. Jobs was the visionary" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "741.084", "endTime": "747.543", "body": "artist, insisting on perfection and elegant design. Gates was the pragmatic engineer businessman," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "747.986", "endTime": "754.867", "body": "willing to embrace, extend, and outmaneuver to win. As Jobs once famously remarked in the 90s," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "755.068", "endTime": "760.762", "body": "The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "760.762", "endTime": "766.496", "body": "And what that means is, I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "770.319", "endTime": "776.335", "body": "they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their product." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "776.858", "endTime": "786.455", "body": "By the early 1990s, Bill Gates had firmly won the PC wars. And yet, in an ironic twist, 1997 saw Gates" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "786.455", "endTime": "786.898", "body": "and Jobs." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "786.898", "endTime": "794.306", "body": "briefly unite. Apple, then in dire straits, welcomed Steve Jobs back to the helm. Jobs" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "794.306", "endTime": "800.823", "body": "reached out to his old rival, and Gates agreed to invest $150 million in Apple and continue" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "800.823", "endTime": "807.693", "body": "developing Microsoft Office for Mac. At the Macworld Expo stage in August 1997, the two" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "807.693", "endTime": "814.687", "body": "appeared together, Jobs on stage, and Gates looming on a giant video screen overhead. The" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "814.687", "endTime": "821.66", "body": "sight of Bill Gates' face elicited a mix of boos and gasps from the Apple faithful. Jobs reminded" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "821.66", "endTime": "828.322", "body": "the crowd that Apple needed Microsoft, and vice versa, saying we have to let go of the notion" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "828.322", "endTime": "835.378", "body": "that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose. And I'd like to announce one of our first" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "835.378", "endTime": "839.372", "body": "partnerships today, a very, very meaningful one, and that is one with Microsoft." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "844.158", "endTime": "846.103", "body": "I'd like to take you through this." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "847.764", "endTime": "855.85", "body": "The discussions actually began because there were some patent disputes." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "856.812", "endTime": "858.385", "body": "And rather than..." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "858.385", "endTime": "859.325", "body": "I know." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "862.997", "endTime": "868.22", "body": "Rather than repeating history, I'm extremely proud of both companies" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "868.22", "endTime": "873.247", "body": "that they have resolved these differences in a very, very professional way." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "873.421", "endTime": "878.12", "body": "And I happen to have a special guest with me today via satellite downlink." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "878.47", "endTime": "881.573", "body": "And if we could get him up on the stage right now." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "890.752", "endTime": "891.889", "body": "Good morning." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "891.845", "endTime": "898.214", "body": "having spent over 25 years building Microsoft, Bill Gates began to ponder his legacy beyond the" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "895.255", "endTime": "896.631", "body": "By the early 2000s," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "898.214", "endTime": "905.164", "body": "company walls. He once said, success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "905.164", "endTime": "913.255", "body": "they can't lose. In 2000, Gates stepped down as CEO, with Balmer succeeding him, and later began" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "913.255", "endTime": "919.644", "body": "transitioning out of the day-to-day work at Microsoft. That same year, he and his wife Melinda" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "919.644", "endTime": "925.532", "body": "established the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which would grow into the world's largest private" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "925.532", "endTime": "931.501", "body": "charitable organization. The foundation took on ambitious goals, fighting infectious diseases," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "932.001", "endTime": "938.31", "body": "improving global health, boosting education, and reducing extreme poverty. Over the next two" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "938.31", "endTime": "944.239", "body": "decades, Gates would devote over 50 billion of his wealth to these causes. The ripple effect" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "944.239", "endTime": "944.319", "body": "impact this program." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "944.319", "endTime": "951.192", "body": "of his audacious journey, the PC in your home, the software we use daily, are all around us." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "952.358", "endTime": "958.145", "body": "I want to add a bit of my personal opinion and observation here. It's amazing how these companies" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "958.145", "endTime": "965.441", "body": "will lie, cheat, and steal early on, lying to Altair, ripping each other off, Microsoft lifting" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "965.441", "endTime": "971.189", "body": "ideas from Apple, and Apple claiming their designs are unique and unrivaled, even though many were" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "971.189", "endTime": "977.097", "body": "clearly inspired by Dieter Rams and the Bauhaus movement. But then later, they are the ones" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "977.097", "endTime": "983.448", "body": "pushing for rules and legislation to stop that exact same behavior. OpenAI is a great example." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "983.789", "endTime": "989.296", "body": "They scraped and repurposed the world's content to build their product. Even if you're unsure how" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "989.296", "endTime": "995.064", "body": "you feel about copyright, the hypocrisy is hard to miss. They build on freely available content," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "995.225", "endTime": "996.792", "body": "then fight to control access." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "996.792", "endTime": "1000.402", "body": "Once they've secured their dominance, I don't know." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "1000.62", "endTime": "1005.6", "body": "It's just frustrating to watch the same narrative play out over and over." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "1008.515", "endTime": "1016.17", "body": "In the Shell is written, researched, and recorded by me, the Altair Reur Motive Podcaster." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "1017.431", "endTime": "1022.172", "body": "If you're listening on an app that lets you rate shows, please take a minute to rate this one." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "1022.999", "endTime": "1024.891", "body": "I would truly appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "1026.218", "endTime": "1036.222", "body": "And if you're looking for a great movie that covers the early days of Apple and Microsoft with some creative liberties, check out Pirates of Silicon Valley." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "1038.114", "endTime": "1041.789", "body": "That's it. Take care, and I'll see you next time." } ] }