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It's not a great setup, I have to stand the entire time, and the window ledge" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "26.677", "endTime": "32.243", "body": "everything is sitting on is pretty small. But I think that's what makes it great. It makes me" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "32.243", "endTime": "37.809", "body": "feel like it's the mid-1970s, and I'm pioneering one of the first personal computers, hacking" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "37.809", "endTime": "44.557", "body": "things together in a sketchy setup. In reality, I'm just doing something basic on some pre-built" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "44.557", "endTime": "51.224", "body": "circuit board, but still, it's fun. And one founder who loved building and tinkering above" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "51.224", "endTime": "58.312", "body": "all else was Steve Wozniak, someone I wish more tech founders were like. From blue boxes" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "58.312", "endTime": "63.818", "body": "to getting his first degree after leaving Apple, on this episode of In the Shell." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "65.701", "endTime": "71.627", "body": "Hello. Hey, why we're not shipping Windows 98? Absolutely. Mr. Jobs, you're a bright and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "71.627", "endTime": "77.213", "body": "influential man. Here it comes. It's sad and clear that on several accounts you've discussed," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "77.334", "endTime": "83.32", "body": "you don't know what you're talking about. The key to success is developers, developers, developers," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "83.841", "endTime": "89.267", "body": "developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers. Janice and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "89.267", "endTime": "93.972", "body": "I don't own phones. Neither should you people, if you have any kind of common sense." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "96.015", "endTime": "101.581", "body": "My name is Josh, and I'm able to keep this podcast independent and advertisement-free" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "101.581", "endTime": "106.727", "body": "because of support from listeners like you. If you are finding value in what I'm doing here," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "107.267", "endTime": "113.334", "body": "consider becoming a paid supporter at members.sideofburritos.com. And as a thank you," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "113.634", "endTime": "118.86", "body": "members get early access to new videos, ad-free versions of everything, bonus content," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "119.101", "endTime": "124.847", "body": "and access to a live monthly Q&A. Thanks for considering. Now let's get back to the show." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "126.149", "endTime": "134.598", "body": "Steven Gary Wozniak was born on August 11, 1950, in San Jose, California. He grew up in the suburban" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "134.598", "endTime": "140.325", "body": "Santa Clara Valley, today's Silicon Valley, where technological curiosity was encouraged." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "141.326", "endTime": "147.012", "body": "Wozniak's father, Jerry, was an engineer at Lockheed, and he passed on to young Woz," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "147.232", "endTime": "153.399", "body": "a passion for figuring out how things work. As Wozniak recalls, his dad taught him that," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "153.399", "endTime": "159.406", "body": "as an engineer, you can change your world and change the way of life for lots and lots of people." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "160.127", "endTime": "166.134", "body": "This lesson stuck with Wozniak, inspiring him in a lifelong belief that engineers could make the" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "166.134", "endTime": "173.242", "body": "world better. By grade school, he was assembling his own voltmeters, ham radios, calculators," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "173.462", "endTime": "179.208", "body": "and even simple computer games at home. He was exceptionally bright, especially in math and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "179.208", "endTime": "185.656", "body": "science, but conventional school bored him. 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After high school, he enrolled at the University of Colorado, but he flunked out in" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "214.768", "endTime": "221.356", "body": "his first year. He then returned to California and attended UC Berkeley briefly, before dropping" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "221.356", "endTime": "230.166", "body": "out in 1971 to pursue his real passion, designing computers. At this point, Wozniak had no plans to" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "230.166", "endTime": "237.554", "body": "start a company or become famous. He just wanted to build things. I was so happy with my job as an" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "237.554", "endTime": "243.421", "body": "engineer at Hewlett-Packard, I could have been an engineer for the rest of my life, Wozniak later said." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "244.181", "endTime": "252.251", "body": "Back home in Silicon Valley in 1971, the 21-year-old Wozniak met a charismatic 16-year-old high school" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "252.251", "endTime": "259.879", "body": "student through a mutual friend. That teenager was Steve Jobs. Despite differences in personality" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "259.879", "endTime": "262.162", "body": "and age, the two Steves bonding." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "262.162", "endTime": "268.676", "body": "quickly over their shared obsession, electronics, pulling pranks, and a love for Bob Dylan's music." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "269.598", "endTime": "273.927", "body": "One of Wozniak and Jobs' first collaborations was building blue boxes." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "274.428", "endTime": "281.524", "body": "These were illegal electronic devices that allowed one to hack telephone networks and make free long-distance calls." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "282.265", "endTime": "288.539", "body": "Wozniak learned about phone-freaking and, purely for the challenge, engineered a blue box that worked flawlessly." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "289.581", "endTime": "294.111", "body": "Jobs, ever the opportunist, saw a chance to sell the device to other students." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "294.732", "endTime": "300.244", "body": "Together, they sold a small number of blue boxes to college kids, splitting the proceeds." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "300.805", "endTime": "305.355", "body": "The venture was short-lived, but it was an early taste of what they could accomplish as a team." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "305.836", "endTime": "311.629", "body": "If it hadn't been for the blue boxes, there wouldn't have been an apple. I'm 100% sure of that." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "311.929", "endTime": "313.132", "body": "Jobs later reflected." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "314.114", "endTime": "314.635", "body": "Wozniak" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "314.635", "endTime": "319.502", "body": "learned how to work together, and we gained the confidence that we could solve technical problems" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "319.502", "endTime": "325.15", "body": "and actually put something into production. However, their partnership was not without" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "325.15", "endTime": "333.341", "body": "friction, even in the early days. In 1975, before Apple was formed, Jobs and Wozniak worked together" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "333.341", "endTime": "340.531", "body": "on a project for Atari, designing a prototype for the arcade game breakout. Jobs was paid a bonus by" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "340.531", "endTime": "346.099", "body": "Atari for reducing the number of chips in the game circuitry, a task that Wozniak brilliantly" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "346.099", "endTime": "353.089", "body": "accomplished. However, Jobs failed to tell Wozniak about the full bonus and paid him only a small" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "353.089", "endTime": "359.778", "body": "fraction of the reward. Wozniak would not learn of this deception until years later, after Jobs became" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "359.778", "endTime": "366.528", "body": "famous. I cried, I cried quite a bit when I read that in a book, Wozniak admitted, upon discovering" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "366.528", "endTime": "367.108", "body": "that his friends did not learn about his own." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "367.108", "endTime": "375.344", "body": "had shorted him. By 1975, the microelectronics revolution was underway. The introduction of" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "375.344", "endTime": "381.264", "body": "the first hobbyist computer kit, the Altair 8800, had created a buzz among Silicon Valley." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "382.129", "endTime": "388.231", "body": "Wozniak became an active member of the Homebrew Computer Club, a community of electronics hobbyists" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "388.231", "endTime": "394.513", "body": "that met to share ideas. Inspired by the possibilities, Woz set out to design his own" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "394.513", "endTime": "401.017", "body": "computer. He later said, I was very skilled at a certain kind of computer design. I knew I'd build" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "401.017", "endTime": "409.353", "body": "a computer when it was possible. That year in 1975 was the year it was possible. Working nights and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "409.353", "endTime": "415.132", "body": "weekends, Wozniak achieved something astonishing. He developed a prototype for a personal computer" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "415.132", "endTime": "419.582", "body": "with a keyboard and video display that was far cheaper and more capable." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "419.582", "endTime": "424.741", "body": "than the Altair. He handled everything from the circuit design to writing the software," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "425.343", "endTime": "431.225", "body": "essentially creating the template for the first modern computer by himself. When he showed off" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "431.225", "endTime": "437.126", "body": "his hand-built computer to the homebrew club, fellow enthusiasts were impressed by its elegant" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "437.126", "endTime": "444.032", "body": "simplicity and power. Wozniak initially intended to give away the design freely to his homebrew" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "444.032", "endTime": "450.395", "body": "peers. I designed the Apple One because I wanted to give it away for free to other people, Wozniak" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "450.395", "endTime": "456.317", "body": "said. This was my way of socializing and getting recognized. I had to build something to show other" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "456.317", "endTime": "463.222", "body": "people. It was Steve Jobs who pushed Wozniak to think bigger. Jobs saw commercial potential in" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "463.222", "endTime": "471.352", "body": "Wozniak's computer, even if Wozniak himself didn't. In early 1976, Jobs convinced his friend that they" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "471.352", "endTime": "472.055", "body": "should form a company." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "472.055", "endTime": "475.019", "body": "to sell the computer instead of giving the design away." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "475.52", "endTime": "477.763", "body": "They needed to raise capital to get started." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "478.344", "endTime": "479.886", "body": "Jobs sold his Volkswagen van," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "480.086", "endTime": "483.07", "body": "and Wozniak sold his HP Scientific Calculator" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "483.07", "endTime": "485.454", "body": "to raise a few hundred dollars of seed money." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "486.255", "endTime": "489.039", "body": "Along with a third co-founder, Ronald Wayne," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "489.319", "endTime": "490.301", "body": "who soon bowed out," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "490.561", "endTime": "493.505", "body": "they officially founded Apple Computer Incorporated" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "493.505", "endTime": "495.948", "body": "on April 1st, 1976." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "497.21", "endTime": "499.754", "body": "Their first product was Wozniak's creation," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "500.034", "endTime": "501.636", "body": "which they dubbed the Apple One." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "502.097", "endTime": "505.542", "body": "It wasn't a polished personal computer as we think of today," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "505.762", "endTime": "507.985", "body": "but rather a bare-bones computer board" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "507.985", "endTime": "511.33", "body": "that hobbyists could buy and add their own keyboard and screen." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "512.111", "endTime": "515.416", "body": "Jobs managed to secure an order for 50 Apple One boards" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "515.416", "endTime": "518.62", "body": "from a local computer shop named The Byte Shop," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "519.021", "endTime": "520.483", "body": "spelled B-Y-T-E," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "521.064", "endTime": "522.966", "body": "assembling them in his parents' garage." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "523.587", "endTime": "524.528", "body": "Each Apple One board" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "524.528", "endTime": "532.742", "body": "was priced at $666.66, a number Wozniak chose for its repeating digits. The Apple One proved" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "532.742", "endTime": "539.281", "body": "there was a market for Woz's innovative design. Wozniak immediately set to work on an improved" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "539.281", "endTime": "545.82", "body": "design, a machine that would truly be a consumer-friendly personal computer. The result" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "545.82", "endTime": "553.409", "body": "was the Apple II, introduced in 1977. Apple II was a breakthrough. It was a fully assembled," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "553.409", "endTime": "559.423", "body": "ready-to-use computer in a plastic case with a built-in keyboard and the ability to display" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "559.423", "endTime": "566.164", "body": "color graphics on a television screen. This was nearly unprecedented at the time. Most other" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "566.164", "endTime": "573.207", "body": "microcomputers were sold as kits or were far less user-friendly. The Apple II became wildly successful," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "573.53", "endTime": "577.002", "body": "especially after the introduction of the first killer app." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "577.002", "endTime": "582.977", "body": "a spreadsheet program called VisiCalc that drove business customers to buy Apple IIs by the" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "582.977", "endTime": "590.155", "body": "thousands. By 1980, Apple had grown from two guys in a garage into a wildly profitable company." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "590.516", "endTime": "597.955", "body": "When Apple held its initial public offering, IPO, in December 1980, the computer's stock value" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "597.955", "endTime": "603.81", "body": "instantly made Wozniak and Jobs both multi-millionaires. Through the years," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "604.431", "endTime": "610.006", "body": "Wozniak's key contributions were indispensable. He had designed the hardware and the circuit boards" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "610.006", "endTime": "616.362", "body": "for the Apple I and Apple II largely on his own, and he even wrote the basic software interpreter" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "616.362", "endTime": "623.44", "body": "for the Apple II from scratch. Apple's early employees and investors recognized that Wozniak's" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "623.44", "endTime": "629.475", "body": "engineering feats gave the company its head start into the market. The Wizard of Woz became" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "629.475", "endTime": "633.902", "body": "a fitting nickname, as he was the quiet genius behind Apple's first two products." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "634.751", "endTime": "642.614", "body": "Then in 1985, President Ronald Reagan awarded Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs the National Medal" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "642.614", "endTime": "648.88", "body": "of Technology, honoring their pioneering work in personal computing. As Apple grew successful," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "649.385", "endTime": "655.914", "body": "the partnership between Wozniak and Jobs evolved in complex ways. They had started as close friends" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "655.914", "endTime": "662.301", "body": "with a common vision, but their personalities and priorities were very different. As Wozniak" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "662.301", "endTime": "668.446", "body": "himself put it, Jobs and I were always different people, right from the start. We were very similar" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "668.446", "endTime": "674.085", "body": "in certain ways, but Steve was more a part of the counterculture, and I was more mainstream." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "674.51", "endTime": "680.877", "body": "Feet on the ground, none of these drugs and all that. When Apple was founded, these differences" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "680.877", "endTime": "681.948", "body": "became a strength." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "681.948", "endTime": "687.42", "body": "they complimented each other. Yet as the stakes grew higher, some conflicts and philosophical" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "687.42", "endTime": "694.956", "body": "clashes emerged. One notable conflict came around the time of Apple's IPO in 1980. Jobs and Apple's" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "694.956", "endTime": "700.749", "body": "board decided not to offer early stock options to several key employees who had been with the" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "700.749", "endTime": "707.584", "body": "company since the garage days. Wozniak deeply disagreed with this exclusion. In an act that" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "707.584", "endTime": "712.955", "body": "showed his generous character, Wozniak took personal responsibility to correct what he saw as an" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "712.955", "endTime": "719.65", "body": "injustice. He quietly gifted $10 million worth of his own Apple stock to those early employees who" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "719.65", "endTime": "726.765", "body": "had been left out, saying it was the right thing to do. Another strain on their partnership was simply" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "726.765", "endTime": "734.301", "body": "the drift of their life goals. In February 1981, Wozniak survived a serious plane crash that left him" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "734.301", "endTime": "734.422", "body": "with." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "734.422", "endTime": "736.986", "body": "multiple injuries, and temporary amnesia." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "737.612", "endTime": "742.276", "body": "During his long recovery, Waz stepped back from day-to-day work at Apple." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "742.78", "endTime": "748.11", "body": "He took time to enjoy life, even sponsoring a massive open-air rock concert" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "748.11", "endTime": "755.015", "body": "known as the U.S. Festival in 1982 and 1983, and explored philanthropic interests." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "755.783", "endTime": "759.376", "body": "By the time he recovered and returned to Apple in 1983," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "759.942", "endTime": "762.91", "body": "the company had grown much larger and more corporate." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "763.899", "endTime": "767.674", "body": "In 1985, not long after Apple launched the Macintosh," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "768.219", "endTime": "769.713", "body": "Wozniak decided to leave Apple." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "770.42", "endTime": "773.509", "body": "Steve Jobs later reflected on his bond with Wozniak," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "773.731", "endTime": "777.042", "body": "acknowledging that despite any disagreements, it was profound." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "777.688", "endTime": "780.656", "body": "When you work with someone that close, there's a bond." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "781.141", "endTime": "784.331", "body": "And even though he may not be your best friend as time goes on," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "784.654", "endTime": "786.895", "body": "there's something that transcends even friendship." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "787.622", "endTime": "794.21", "body": "Leaving Apple at just 34 years old, Steve Wozniak pursued a quieter but equally fulfilling path." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "794.917", "endTime": "805.993", "body": "Financially secure and famous in tech circles, he returned to Berkeley under the pseudonym Rocky Raccoon to finally finish his bachelor's degree in 1986." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "807.136", "endTime": "812.706", "body": "Wozniak also continued to indulge his inventive side by starting and supporting new ventures." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "812.706", "endTime": "826.983", "body": "In 1987, he founded CL9, a company that created the first programmable universal remote control, a far cry from computers, but an example of Wozniak's wide-ranging curiosity." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "827.918", "endTime": "840.096", "body": "In 2002, he started Wheels of Zeus, WOZ, a company developing wireless GPS technology, because he was intrigued by the potential of wireless gadgets." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "839.368", "endTime": "847.178", "body": "In 2008, he became chief scientist at Fusion-IO, a data storage startup, lending his name and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "847.178", "endTime": "850.056", "body": "expertise to cutting-edge tech once again." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "850.398", "endTime": "856.296", "body": "He also published an autobiography, I Was, sharing his story in his own words." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "856.92", "endTime": "862.193", "body": "Despite being a self-described engineer at heart, Wozniak didn't entirely shy away from" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "862.193", "endTime": "862.777", "body": "the spotlight." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "863.683", "endTime": "869.137", "body": "He made playful appearances on reality TV, like a stint on Dancing with the Stars and" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "869.137", "endTime": "874.29", "body": "regularly speaks at tech conferences, where he is revered as an elder statesman of Silicon" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "874.29", "endTime": "874.753", "body": "Valley." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "875.619", "endTime": "883.71", "body": "In 2017, he launched Woz-U, an online tech education platform designed to train software developers" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "883.71", "endTime": "886.387", "body": "and inspire the next generation of engineers." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "887.051", "endTime": "891.842", "body": "And in 2020, he co-founded F-Force, a startup focused on blockchain." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "891.842", "endTime": "897.882", "body": "based energy efficiency investments, showing that even in his 70s, he hadn't lost his drive" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "897.882", "endTime": "904.71", "body": "to innovate. He has been a vocal supporter of open access to technology and the right to repair" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "904.71", "endTime": "910.41", "body": "movement, arguing that people should be able to understand and tinker with devices they own," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "910.623", "endTime": "918.557", "body": "much as he did in the 1970s. As of this recording, Steve Wozniak is in his mid-70s," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "918.557", "endTime": "925.363", "body": "still as humble and curious as the young Woz who built a computer for fun in a garage decades ago." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "926.001", "endTime": "932.34", "body": "His story, from a Silicon Valley kid building gadgets, to a young man launching a world-changing" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "932.34", "endTime": "938.274", "body": "company, to a seasoned philanthropist and teacher, underscores how a passion for engineering" }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "938.274", "endTime": "944.315", "body": "and staying true to one's values can leave an enduring mark on the world." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "944.315", "endTime": "951.5", "body": "Written, researched, and recorded by me, the Was This Even Necessary Podcaster." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "953.246", "endTime": "959.268", "body": "If you are listening in an app that lets you rate shows, please take a minute to rate this one." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "960.077", "endTime": "962.228", "body": "I would truly appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "963.923", "endTime": "972.12", "body": "I mentioned it last episode, but if you're looking for a great movie that covers the early days of Apple and Microsoft," }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "972.475", "endTime": "978.496", "body": "with some creative liberties of course, check out Pirates of Silicon Valley." }, { "speaker": "Josh", "startTime": "980.368", "endTime": "984.973", "body": "That's it, take care, and I'll see you next time." } ] }